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 The entire reason that women have an "anti-slut defense is because of the Madonna/whore (M/w) Complex.
I firmly believe that women love the actual sexual act more than men do. Nashville Playboy keeps saying this over and over and he is right. Tyler Durden said something fucking funny which ties in with this. Have you ever heard the sound of a woman who is having an orgasm? Do men usually sound anywhere near that in intensity, duration or sheer enthusiasm? (then Tyler mimics a girl cumming... I don't care what the haters say, he knows his shit).
The reason women put up this front about being a good girl and "not easy" and all this bullshit is because... of men! It's MEN who call women sluts and look down upon them for being "too easy".
Yes, women do this too, but for different reasons. There is a social decorum and women subcommunicate and are expected amongst themselves to "play fair". And they are in fierce competition with one another for the very best guys. So when a woman comes on too strong towards the men at a party, depending on the group, she can expect her "friends" to call her out on it.
There really is a secret society, and the men that women really want are the true, non- judgmental, LOVERS of women.
An AFC will fuck a girl at a party because she is "easy", or a "slut". If they believe she is a good girl, they will be afraid to state their intentions with her, to touch, escalate, isolate and penetrate her.
So it comes full circle. "Yeah I fucked a slut at the party". "No I am gonna take her on 5 dates first because she is a good girl".
Why does the "slut" do this, breaking all the "rules?". Well, she may be a sexually liberated woman and genuinely not give a shit. The mythical HSE Freak. Or, she may be desperate and lonely and LSE and will take what she can get. The fact of the matter is, the guys who she is most likely to attract are NOT PUAs, but chodes. But not for the reason you might think.
Chodes think that a girl like that is going to be "worthless" as a girlfriend, so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. But a true player understands something different. He knows that the majority of other MEN think that way, but HE DOES NOT. Therefore a girl throwing herself at a chode lacks discretion, feels she has no shot with a real masculine man, and takes whatever scraps she can get.
Don't be fooled, average women are FRUSTRATED, HORNY, and DESPERATE. And there are so few men who don't act like chodes.
I want you guys to consider that the M/w Complex is a very real phenomenon and it affects both men and women, but in different ways. Can you see how it is actually a sexual turnoff for a woman to be surrounded by men who are so terrified of her sexuality that they would ostracize her and call her names, in some countries even beat her with rocks, if she dares to express it?
Now, I got to thinking about this because there is a prevailing view on this board, even among supposed players, that if a woman "gives it up" too easily she is not LTR material and if she makes a guy wait then he is "safe" to keep her as an LTR.
I am sure most of us have had the experience of a girl who acts the good girl with us but we find out she has done outrageous stuff with other guys, stuff we never thought she was capable of, like ONS, threesomes, bisexual stuff, etc. Consider yourself lucky to have heard such stories because it's almost any woman's worst nightmare to have the mass of men loaded with M/w to find out about such things. And the average, frustrated women out there will often backstab a girl who seems to be breaking the rules.
Let's assume for a minute that a girl really likes you and wants you as a LTR boyfriend. Women can tell INSTANTLY if you have M/w. They really can. In history and in some cases today they can actually DIE if they are unable to suss out men who are a danger to them, and men with M/w are a threat to women. They know this instinctively!
But, she really digs you and doesn't think you are that bad in your fucked up views of female sexuality, so she plays the good girl role that you expect of her. It might work out and it often does. But this is not ideal!
First of all, if your GF is really, truly, animalistically sexual, don't you want to know about it? Not in a jealous, envious, and fearful way, like a chode, but in a "I have an incredible gift to appreciate with this woman!" type of way.
Second, what do you think women fantasize about? I am not talking directly about sex – anyone who thinks women are delicate or timid should go right now and buy a copy of My Secret Garden – I am talking about, when a woman thinks about a husband or an LTR. Do you think she is imagining a guy who really believes that if a woman sleeps with him "too soon", that would make her a slut?
Do you believe she lies awake at night dreaming of making her special prince wait for 1-2-3 dates, or months or more, until "the time is right" and "it's ok" to have sex?
I sure don't think so. I think women dream about love at first sight. That everything is wonderful and just right from the get go. The man has no weird hangups that she has to battle past, she has nothing to prove with regards to how sexual she is in a negative sense, she only can't wait to open her heart and her legs to this man and she really, really cannot wait. She will be delighted to be TEASED by a man who possesses tremendous self control but is certainly not afraid of her or her pussy and certainly not confused about what to do with it.
From my experience and everything I know about women and what women have told me themselves, when they fantasize about a man the sex happens in a matter of HOURS, if not quicker, and the MAN... here is the clincher.. has NO fucked up notions about what negative things that might say about HER. He is non judgmental and can ravish her mind and body exactly the way she is.
Just think of how cruel it is to have the tools to arouse a woman in a powerful way, and then start to get funky and awkward because the woman is RESPONDING, exactly as she was created to do. Or even worse, thinking this woman COULD have been my GF if she did not respond so readily to my skills. I hope you can appreciate that that says a lot of negative things about YOU, and that this will impede the quality of women you can get on a consistent basis.
For me, a "high quality woman" is one who makes me hard, treats me well, and respects my business and my reputation. Period.
Thoughts?
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I'm curious what criteria you use to separate women who are good for a long term relationship from those who are only good for a quick lay (or possibly recurring) and those who should be avoided altogether.
I know you've already spoken about logistics and long-term relationships, this certainly plays a part.
From what you wrote above, and I agree, how fast she spreads her legs should not be a consideration. What about her attitude and how she treats you? Basically, I'm interested in your screening tactics. Please elaborate on the qualities YOU use for screening and classification into the categories I listed.